It’s the year 3017, and we’ve reduced the cases of rape in our society to as close to “zero” as any of us ever dreamed possible.
It’s fabulous!
Once we started giving men the choice to control their own penises–and stopped punishing them for things we may not agree with–the statistics showed a dramatic drop in rapes!
There was a time when our country criminalized and punished men for choosing to engage in sex with someone who didn’t want it.
But, of course, that didn’t solve the problem.
Punishments for rapists were harsh; women marched against “Rape Culture”; and the best and brightest minds on the planet tried coming up with ways to prevent the violence.
But reports of assault (especially on college campuses) continue to climb. Clearly, it wasn’t working!
Making rape illegal wasn’t the answer!
No one was able to come up with a viable, workable solution for the problem.
I can hardly imagine what that must have been like, back in the year 2017, when rape was illegal.
I mean, I understand why some people didn’t support a man’s right to choose. (Personally, I could never rape someone.) But, we know we’re muuuuuch better off now that we have solutions for making rape safe and rare.
Sure, they still happen. But, statistically, we’re better off.
Now that rape is legal, the number of rapes has dropped!
It’s so brilliant that it’s amazing to consider people 1000 years ago didn’t have the courage to legalize rape.
Now society understands that we need to be supportive of men who are making a rape decision. We know that, most of the time, with the right love and encouragement, they will decide not to go through with a full-blown rape.
Most men settle for simply kissing an unwilling woman on the cheek, or quickly patting one of her breasts, rather than violently penetrating a female blob-of-cells.
So…since the instances of violent rapes are down, it’s mission accomplished. Things are MUCH better than they used to be.
Problem solved.
I can’t think of anything more compassionate and understanding than decriminalizing rapists, which results in a workable solution to this problem…
All we have to do is respect the complexity of the issue, and trust men to do what’s right with their own bodies!
Repeat after me: “It’s your penis; your choice.”
Such a simple solution to the “rapes will happen anyway” problem.
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Maybe we should lift the current laws against armed robbery. It would sure keep all those poor hooligans from getting hurt by offended home owners and such.
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Wally–why in the world am I having to fish you out of moderation over and over today?
Lol.
Behave yourself.
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Hi Amanda
Well, it’s all over. Every comment I make in any place is going to spam. Everywhere.
I’m trying to find a solution, as obviously what I have to say is very, very important!!
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So strange!
Well, the evidence for the WordPress Conspiracy is mounting…
I’d say you should write a scathing letter, but USPS will probably lose it.
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No kidding. If this keeps up, I am going back to my bunker with the other fundies.
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Smile… and you wonder why you get almost not traffic?
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Hi, Arky! You been looking at my dashboard?
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No, why?
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You constantly make reference to how many people are reading my (and my dad’s) blog.
I wondered if you had actually seen the statistics, or if you’re making assumption based on something else.
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Oh, I understand.
No, sorry, I generally look at the number of subscribers and the number of comments.
I don’t know how many people actually read the stuff you write. There is me of course. Well I read some of it.
Do you think with the well thought out highly intellectual material you showcase – like this one -you have a plethora of readers?
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That’s what I told my dad your method was:
“Ark thinks that you need to have lots of commenters, or no one is reading… he’s used to the Atheist blogs, where they all repeat ‘This is GREAT!'” on each and every post.” 🙂
So, I understand why it bothers you… We have almost the same number of followers even though I only write about twice a month, too… So–that’s got to be annoying. lol.
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Annoying? Why? The quality of what you write is generally awful, much like this post, which is simply a stupid nonsensical diatribe that just makes the writer look childish and rather silly.
Oh, and on a closing note ….
Guess which country has one of the lowest abortion rates in the world?
South Africa! And it is legal down here…
That rather diminishes your argument for criminalizing it.
And in your own country,in Wyoming, the rate is only 1.1 per thousand.
So you see, Amanda, things can change and we don’t need to all be head-cases about it either.
T’ra.
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Still trying to solve the wrong problem. LOL!
Thanks for reading, Ark! (Or, at least, thanks for trying…)
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Since S.A. has been so successful reducing abortions, you should try legalizing rape to see if those go down, too!
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Yes… quite.You never fail to disappoint See my initial response to the quality of your writing.
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Looky what I found!
It seems your country has a veritable crime CRISIS on its hands. You better get busy legalizing murder, too! Quickly!
It’s all about those numbers… 😉
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_South_Africa
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Yes, our gun crimes are impressive aren’t they?
My publisher’s husband was shot to death ten days ago. Nice eh?
And firearms are legal here, too.
You think you are clever?
You are simply an imbecile.
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He wasn’t the only one shot ten days ago…
I just read there’s an average of 50 murders per day and one child going missing every 5 hours… yikes.
Clearly y’all need to rethink the “criminalizing” strategy.
Do you have a viable, workable solution for this problem?
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Do you think banning firearms might help?
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Hilarious. Trying to get me to solve YOUR problems…
The question was for you. I’m not answering it. What’s your workable, viable solution for the skyrocketing crime in South Africa?
Make it legal?
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I am not asking to solve any problems, merely curious as to whether you think banning firearms might go a ways to reducing the firearm death rate … as the US has a higher death rate than SA.
So, do you think banning guns would help, yes or no?
As a point of interest, that stats certainly say it would…
How do you see it?
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It’s not your blog. You don’t get to derail the conversation. If you can’t answer, go away.
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Well then, as it is your blog, you answer the question that is the subject of the post.
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Lol!!!
Last chance: you told me to write about rape, and I did. Turns out, it’s a big problem in South Africa.
Should rape be legalized? “Decriminalized?”
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What do you think?
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HAHAHAHA! Thanks for playing.
You have no answers.
And you have no right to stick your nose in America’s abortion debate, when you’re living in the middle of a war zone.
Of COURSE guns should be legal–just as scalpels and forceps are okay to own….the problem is, when we make it legal for people to USE those tools to harm another living human.
Harming people shouldn’t be legal. (Obviously.)
It’s too bad your worldview and your pride won’t let you admit it. You might be able to save some dignity.
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So making firearms legal is Okay, but people are not supposed to use them?
Under current legislation up to how many weeks are abortions allowed to be performed in the States? laws forbid
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People are not supposed to use ANY tools to harm another person (obviously). You can use a razor blade to shave your face. But you can’t jam it into your neighbor’s heart. Very simple. 🙂
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A gun was designed to kill. A razor blade was designed to shave with.
Yes , one can kill with a razor-blade ( or hit one’s father over the head with a Hammer, of course) but it might be a tad difficult to shave with a firearm.
Sorry, what is the current legal limit in the states to perform an abortion?
How many weeks?
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I don’t know what the “limit” is. I think it’s different state-to-state? It shouldn’t be legal to intentionally harm a person for ANY number of weeks.
Simple.
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Varies from state to state? Seriously?
That I would not of imagined.
The reason I ask is this all hinges on what the legal definition of a person actually is am correct?
And that definition is also based upon
medical expertise, yes?
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No–medical “experts” aren’t more qualified to decide who gets to live and who gets to die than the Average Joe.
Ethics and the morality of human value has nothing to do with science.
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But this argument is, to a certain extent, based on the definition of when a fetus becomes a ”person”, am I right?
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Yes–you’re right that people (like you) try to muddy the waters by pretending there’s a difference between a living human organism and a “person.”
Just as people have been arguing that other races aren’t really, fully “people” to justify harming them, since time began.
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Yes, they have. A great many of them
were Christian.Martin Luther springs to mind.
Not trying to muddy the waters at all, I assure you.
How do you determine a human being?
By how it looks, or by what its made up of?
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You’re the one struggling to define human, because you are supposed to believe that EVERYTHING is “made up of” the same stuff… all the same elements. All cells and particles. All made of fermions and bosons.
I believe humans are made of matter AND have souls. But that’s another discussion.
Regardless, the embryo isn’t a cactus. It’s not a cat or duck. It’s not a car. It’s a teeny, tiny human being.
Anyone who says otherwise is a science denier. 🙂
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Okay. So demonstrate the soul.
And please explain when and why the church changed its position on the issue of souls.
Al,so how you arrive at the belief that your notion of a soul is the correct one.
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No.
I’ve made my point. And I know from experience that you’ll just keep talking and reaching for more and more questions, to avoid admitting it.
Do you have a workable, viable solution for solving the rape problem in S.A.?
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No, you have not made your point at all.
Is the soul present in the newly fertilized egg?
How to start to reduce the Rape Culture prevalent in SA.
Education, better social infrastructure, raising social standards by helping to reduce poverty.
Empowering more women.
That’s a pretty good start, wouldn’t you say?
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Would you decriminalize rape, if it made the numbers go down?
Would you say Rapists have the right to choose?
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Do you beleive rape would go down by decriminalizing it?
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Would you decriminalize rape IF it made the numbers go down?
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If a direct correlation could be proven that the illegality of rape made men rape more what do you think would be the likely outcome?
Portugal decriminalized drug use and its use plummeted.
They were the first country to do so and the ongoing program has been a success.
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Would you decriminalize rape, if it made the numbers go down?
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When does the fetus obtain a soul?
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Would you decriminalize rape, if it made the numbers go down?
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First you have to explain how one would know that decriminalization would reduce rape.
If you can show this to be fact then it might be foolish not to, wouldn’t you agree?
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Would you decriminalize rape IF it made the numbers go down?
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Please explain how one would know that decriminalization would reduce rape.
If you can show this to be fact then it might be foolish not to, wouldn’t you agree?
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Would you decriminalize rape IF it made the numbers go down?
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Is there a problem? I have answered your question. Twice I think?
Did you not understand the response?
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It’s a simple yes/no that you are too dishonest to answer.
Would you decriminalize rape IF it made the numbers to go down?
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Dishonest? I am not a Christian.
My answer was affirmative based on you – or someone -showing irrefutable proof that decriminalization reduces rape.
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So you WOULD make rape legal.
Thanks for answering.
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I said it would be foolish not to decriminalize it if you could show irrefutable proof that it by decriminalizing reduced rape.
Decriminalizing something does not make it right , Amanda.
Please don’t try to play me for a fool, Amanda.You are not that clever.
As you said, lots of people read your blog, thought I doubt that to be honest, and it is fairly obvious what you are trying to do. And it simply makes you look like a disingenuous little shit.
I already used the drugs example working in Portugal.
Do you think they made the right decision?
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I’ve already told you: the law should not allow people to do WRONG things.
Obviously.
Everyone knows that. It’s why laws are supposed to exist–to declare what people believe to be right/wrong, and punish those who do wrong.
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But it’s good to know you would let Rapists go free, as long as it kept OTHER rapists from doing it quite so much…
Says a lot about you.
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You truly are quite ill, Amanda.
But if this is how you wish to see it … so be it. Please tell me then, why your love of David Wood?
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HAHAHAHAHA!!!! There’s the name you can’t get out of your head again!
*sniff*
LOL!!!!
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Sorry, we are about to be hit be a lightening storm here, I have to go …
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Oh, almost forgot.
In SA the rate of firearm deaths dropped substantially when certain laws were implemented.
Why they didn’t push this further I don’t know.
Maybe they eventually will.
So, based upon culture/stats would you reckon it would be a good thing to ban firearms ( for the general public at least) in your country as well as mine?
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There you have it, then…
We need to outlaw using abortion tools on fetuses.
I bet the rates of abortion will go down.
(Duh.)
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But I have shown you figures from my own country that, in the main, legality is not the issue.
Much of SA culture and other African countries (Zambia for one) have strong cultural bias against abortion.
In Zambia the rate is less than 1 per thousand.
If you outlawed using abortion tools then people would go back to using coat-hangers.
Would you want this to happen?
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Ark—you’re really going to need to decide if you want to talk about numbers or about right/wrong.
MY point was, if you’re worried about numbers, you should legalize rape.
You don’t want to do that because it’s wrong.
Same reason I don’t want to legalize abortion. People will use coathangers to try and kill their babies, but that doesn’t mean the solution is to let doctors use fancy coathangers to help them…
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Again, the law has already made the decision.
And MY point is that, based on stats in my country ad others the legality has proved to be not so much a major issue.
Which clearly demonstrates that we are dealing with more of a cultural perspective.
So if we can achieve a mind shift then we would not have to make criminals out of women who opt for abortion.
When do you consider a fetus becomes human?
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“the legality has proved to be not a major issue.”
That was the point of my post.
Legality IS an issue.
Causing harm should not be legal. Even if people keep doing it regardless of laws…it still shouldn’t be legal.
Fetuses are humans from the moment they are created. Egg meets sperm and a new, genetically-unique human bursts into existence. What else would it be? And, if that’s not when a human emerges, then when DOES a ball of cells become a “person?”
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Now we have that out of the way… back to abortion.
Okay, fair enough.
A few questions.
Why is simply the sperm or the egg not also considered human?
As you are aware, sperm was once considered the stuff little humans were made of and women were merely carriers, which was why ”spilling the seed” was considered such a sin.
What, then, in your view, caused a change in this perspective?
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Science caused the change in view. Sperm doesn’t become a person by itself.
If you put sperm in the uterus, a new person will not grow. Sperm + Egg = new human.
This is basic biology.
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Science… thank you. At last!
It is science that has decided what constitutes a human.
It is science that produces a thing as the morning after pill, such as Plan B.
Thank you for recognizing science and realizing that theology is unable to make these calls.
By using science and education we can work toward the goal of reducing abortion to practically zero.
Criminalizing abortion will not help.
It has never helped.
But science does …
As will education, compassion and understanding.
You know, maybe we have found a little common ground?
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Science didn’t determine what was human. It DISCOVERED it.
It’s people who have decided that humans are valuable.
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We’ve decided human “persons” matter with the same randomness that we’ve decided rape is “bad.”
(Remember when I showed you what Richard Dawkins said about rape? Our belief that it’s really wrong is just “random and arbitrary.” Remember that?) That’s what science has to say about right/wrong… It doesn’t exist.
So it becomes nothing but a numbers game.
But, at least you admitted that you would make rape legal! At least you’re consistent.
Legalize bad things! It’s all about the numbers! Let four rapists go free, as long as it keeps 5 others from committing a rape. Brilliant.
🙂
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You see what happens when you get your back against the wall Amanda?
Science has decreed that a fertilized egg and sperm is not a human.
And it isn’t.
Period.
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Citation for the place science decreed a fertilized egg isn’t human?
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Sure, here you go …
”What I’m concerned with is how you develop. I know that you all think about it perpetually that you come from one single cell of a fertilized egg. I don’t want to get involved in religion but that is not a human being. I’ve spoken to these eggs many times and they make it quite clear … they are not a human being.”
Lewis Wolport.
Developmental biologist.
Now YOU supply me with a citation that states it is a human.
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LOL!
So, the scientific way of determining what’s human is to ASK if it’s human?!?!?!
So…my 15-month-old isn’t human, either?!
LOL!!!!
I’m about to end this conversation. I can’t stand the stupidity much longer.
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You asked for a citation.
Your view is simply a theological one. Nothing else.
But we have established that science is the benchmark and not religion.
That at least you have acknowledged.
It is a start….good for you.
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That’s not a citation from science. It’s the opinion of a single SCIENTIST. Not the same thing.
…a scientist who thinks “human” means “able to speak” apparently. How embarrassing.
Bye, Ark.
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Bye Amanda.
So glad you recognise the value of science regarding abortion and we can now move this discussion along toward ditching any theological considerations and focus on the real issues.
If you will excuse the pun … baby steps.
Hopefully we’ll get you there eventually.
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I literally just asked my three-year-old if he’s a human. Do you know what he said? “No.”
He actually told me he’s NOT human.
So… case closed.
LOL! #Science
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For anyone still reading, here is a link to a couple dozen (cited) quotes from biologists, geneticists, and embryologists, stating that human life begins at conception:
https://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/embryoquotes2.html
The last quote is ESPECIALLY important:
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So–I guess we’ll need to come up with a new, less-scary word for people who’ve been sexually assaulted, other than calling them “victims,” if we’re going to decriminalize rape. Let’s call those humans “pre-rape-victims” so the rest of society doesn’t feel so bad for ignoring their plight and allowing justice to go un-served.
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If you want top discuss the horrendous topic of rape then write a proper, sensible post and we can talk.
I find your religiously motivated disingenuous behaviour churlish and tiresome.
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I didn’t mention religion once. Go away.
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So nothing you write is in anyway religiously motivated?
Ethics, morality etc etc?
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I appealed to the human religion. The human religion which says “rape is bad” is the same one which says “abortion is bad.” Humans want to reduce both, because they arbitrarily, randomly believe some things are “right” and others are “wrong.”
Of course, you could just be like Richard Dawkins and admit that rape is “arbitrary.” Science can’t say what’s right and what’s wrong. It’s random human instincts that do that, according to secular scientists.
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